F10A rebuild options

Suzuki van tech question and answers.
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So the suzuki carry i bought today has decided to lose oil pressure (oil light came on) and make noises just as i pulled off the freeway to go to my house (after driving 40kms on the freeway)

at idles it sounds normal but once i get to a certain revs it will get noisy.

leads me to believe the oil pickup is either partially blocked or the more likely cause -> the engine is very worn

the car has done 240k kms so im guessing shes a bit tired

what are my options for rebuilding?
ACL make a kit but they are possibly out of stock/discontinued or both?

what do the various suzuki specialists charge?
i am in perth and dont mind paying freight to get my engine.

thanks


-ian
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Do you think it might have been sold because of the oil issue or just died because it changed owners? I reckon you are going to face a problem. Over the years I have discovered engines are hard to find. If you have a 4 speed gearbox then you might find am F8A but, if you are after an F10A good luck. If your purpose is economy find an F8A or F10A. If it is about fun spend more money and less time than it will take searching for an original engine and fit a Rotary engine in, although for around $2000 you can rebuild yours. Or remove the sump -everything except re-boring can be done without removing the engine- and see if the oil pick up is clogged.
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Hi Karu,

thank you for your speedy reply.

i cant be 100% sure it was sold with knowledge of this issue

i drove it for 40kms before it made any sign of trouble

Yes, clogged oil pickup was my next port of call. could have been an accumulation of debris from the long drive at freeway speeds (100km/hr)

i will remove the sump today and update tonight

Thanks

-ian
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Could be a clogged oil pickup, sticky relief valve, or the oil pump has thrown in the towel.

If you're in Perth talk to www.SuziStore.com.au - they should be able to help you out without much fuss. Besides a few items, parts for the F10A are pretty readily available.
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maybe some of karu magic cure "motorsilk" will fix it wright up :P :snigger:



just kidding karu :P .....


yeh you should not have trubs replacing/rebuilding the f10a as brayden said Besides a few items, parts for the F10A are pretty readily available. around $1800-$2200 will get you a reco f10a :thumbup2:
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True,MotorSilk might be able to fix it because it lifts carbon and carbon cannot adhere to it, but MotorSilk is now old technology. Sure, it was the award winning first of the nanotechnologies, but I have much better nanotechnology products now.
F10A 310,736 km. No oil usage. Oil changes, every 40,000 km. More get up and go than new. Goes just as well empty or full load. Travel everyday at least 100 kilometres. 16.4 kilometres per litre average. Pollution from tail pipe, 8 parts per million. Component friction, 0.0003 Internals, minimum 5 times harder than new. Fun factor?100%
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Dude,seriously. There is no way oil can increase the performance of your car from when it was factory. How about go to tafe and learn how an engine works. There are quite a few people on here who are either mechanics or mechanically minded, and you are just sounding stupid. If you can prove your carry has more than 40 or whatever hp they had,and stock bore, cam, crank, ignition system, standard plug and just your motorsilk. Maybe you should head over to boostcruising and say dont buy a turbo buy my motorsilk, will increase hp from factory. And maybe bugatti wasted millions on trying to get 407 out of the veyron, maybe they just needed abit of motorsilk.

The product is utter bullshit, and it enoys me and others that you promote such a ludacris product to new people or someone that isent mechanically minded and thinks it will acturally fix there car, and not clog there oil galleries after 40,000km.

And how on earth does it not use oil? You said it reduces carbon right? How could it do that? By creating a complete burn in the chamber? How does it get in there to reduce it? But your car doesnt use oil?
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If you could read Billie you would have seen that I don't use MotorSilk any longer because it is old technology. The product I am using in my Carry is nanotechnology from minerals naturally occuring in the Ural mountains in Russia. It lowers the friction to 0.0003 and coats the engine at least 5 times harder than original. Metal to metal wear is significantly reduced. Mining companies save over $60,000 a year using this product in each Hitachi dump truck through reduced oil changes and component wear. Until they used this product they had to replace the engine every 4 years. FACT!
My fuel product that works in all fuel is liquid FE (steel) that also coats the engine. It creates a complete burn giving far more power and removing carbon. Usage, One ml per ten litres fuel
Here is an actual recent letter from the US.

I have tried the sample of the AR6200 combustion catalyst and burn modifier you sent me in my Ford Powerstroke 6.0L diesel. All I can say is WOW!! You have a winner here. Without question, this is "the best fuel additive I have ever experienced", and I have tried many of the top name brands such as Stanadyne/PowerService/Optilube/Motorcraft/Lucas and others. Low end torque and throttle response are very noticeably improved as well as injector noise reduction, you barely have to depress the throttle pedal to maintain speed going down the road, this will equal to improved fuel economy. This is a very powerful and incredible formulation, it makes the truck run like it has a power programmer turned up a few notches, even jumping on the throttle hard when getting on the freeway, you really can feel the difference. A co worker of mine is running AR6200 tonight in his Chevrolet Duramax diesel, he has a 3hr roundtrip drive, I expect similar results when I see him tomorrow. I don't see this product available yet on your website. This product will sell itself once poeple try it, no question about it. Would like to purchase more if it is available. Nothing currently out there now that I know of can compete with this formulation, I only added 1oz to my 30 gal tank. As for the AR9100 you sent me, I am waiting for my next due oil change to use. Several other members on TheDieselGarage.com have ordered some as well to try in their Ford 6.0L Powerstrokes. I will spread the word about your products with the highest regards.
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Another product removes pollution.
I have been to TAFE Billie, to learn mechanics a few years ago. A nano on a golf ball is equivalent to a golf ball on Earth. The engine is coated on a nano scale harder than the original engine.
I ain't here to sell it to you Billie, I am just stating the truth of the 21st century technology
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thanks guys

on page 3-6 of the manual it list the services not requiring engine removal
i dont see the oil relief valve on there.

Is this oil relief valve an "engine out" job?

i am new to suzuki's but have a fair bit of experience car wise

really appreciated all the help/advice

thanks

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No,the engine is only to be removed for a re-bore.
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ok

upon further reading i believe the relief valve is built in to the oil pump

ill rip the sump off now and see what i can find

thanks
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Fuel Addative and a oil. You said it.


Utter bullshit.
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In medicine, it is standard practice to get a second opinion before commiting to major surjury. That said, I would first put a new oil pressure sender unit into that old engine. That would cost less than $20
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upg wrote:thanks guys

on page 3-6 of the manual it list the services not requiring engine removal
i dont see the oil relief valve on there.

Is this oil relief valve an "engine out" job?

i am new to suzuki's but have a fair bit of experience car wise

really appreciated all the help/advice

thanks

-ian
Oil relief valve is part of the pump. You can service the oil pump with the engine in situ but it is a bastard of a job that requires removal of the timing belt. If you get that far then you might as well replace the timing belt, tensioner and water pump too. I would recommend compression testing the motor before you start - it might work out better to pluck the motor and rebuild it.
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Karu wrote:True,MotorSilk might be able to fix it because it lifts carbon and carbon cannot adhere to it, but MotorSilk is now old technology. Sure, it was the award winning first of the nanotechnologies, but I have much better nanotechnology products now.
F10A 310,736 km. No oil usage. Oil changes, every 40,000 km. More get up and go than new. Goes just as well empty or full load. Travel everyday at least 100 kilometres. 16.4 kilometres per litre average. Pollution from tail pipe, 8 parts per million. Component friction, 0.0003 Internals, minimum 5 times harder than new. Fun factor?100%
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my f10a 300,375 usage of oil , oil changes every 5,000 less get up and go than new, goes just as slow full or empty, travel every three days 100+klm, 14 klm per ltr avg, pollution from cannon tail pipe who cares, Component friction probably not good,internals maximum 5 times worn then new, fun factor?200%...


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