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Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:37 pm
by Brayden
Alto springs should fit no probs if they're the same size as the domestic version. Alto/Hatch/MB/SA Swift are all the same diameter.

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:07 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
Brayden wrote:Alto springs should fit no probs if they're the same size as the domestic version. Alto/Hatch/MB/SA Swift are all the same diameter.
Sweet,
Any ideas what year the 2 bolt strut tops stopped?
EDIT: 41710-82000; CA71V, CA72V, CL11V, CL22V, CM11V, CM22V, CN11S, CN21S, CP11S, CP21S, CP31S, CR22S, CS22S, CT21S, HA11S, HB11S, HB21S, HC11V, MB61S

Are you familiar with any spring part numbers for standard height?
Ive found KYB RC3442 for cheap - $100pr



(Struts are KYB 332047/48)

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:22 pm
by Brayden
No idea on either, but I do have a pair of standard height domestic Alto springs here if you want me to measure them for reference (in case they're easier to source).

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:51 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
IMHO, they extended the 2 bolt strut to more newer models - but they changed the style of dampening, and went from D hole to circle

Old Style - 41710-82000
Uses all these bits
http://i.imgur.com/1R8xdxi.jpg



New Style
http://i.imgur.com/ET6YtcH.jpg - 41710-76G01
http://i.imgur.com/VgCIddT.jpg - Suzuki Sport offer it with the D holes
Then uses all these bits
http://i.imgur.com/df5hOuS.jpg

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:32 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
Shit.

Ordered a full set of springs from Japan, paid for and should be posted within the next week...

Today I've realised the auction details look odd, it says CP21S like I want - but it also says Fronte and CP22S
Which means its likely meant for Cervo Mode CP21S :(

Hopefully its just a slight different in spring rates between the models


Also ordered $250 of OEM parts

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:38 am
by Goofy[HSK]
So all my struts I have seem to be matching hole spacing down the bottom

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Admittedly I've only tried the white ones on the black altos knuckles - and they definitely don't match.

The Swift spring seat is lower than the Altos, so I'll have to source different spring tops if I want to keep the spring ?static? height the same as the others.

( IE, https://partsouq.com/catalog/images/Suz ... 445827.png #11 shape as opposed to https://partsouq.com/catalog/images/Suz ... 672553.png #12 )
EDIT, but I have a spare perch from a wreckers scrounge that I must assume is a Swift of some type (It came with the rubbers/bearings/tops that match mine) - which does not match my springs, too big.

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The tops of the stroke seem to be close enough
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I need to take the struts + knuckles off the black car again to compare, then I can put a set together after I decide which spring set to use

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:50 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
Cars have been swapped around and now the white one is in mates shed with engine out

Noticed that the F5B and F6A crank pulleys are different :(
Need to swap clutch plate,
Have to check flywheels are teh same

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:31 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
More progress today


Clutch assembly fitted: all F5B stuff, had to use another clutch disc as the springs were bad
- F6A has same part numbers for Flywheel and Plate, different disc  :-o

Used the F6A crank pulley, swapped F6A alternator one over to F5B alternator
- F5B pulley is different size - forgot to check if matches my other F5B one (part numbers say F5B/F6A should match)
- F5B alternator pulley is bigger than F6A

This is whats left of my F5B timing cover, any ideas of cause?
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Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:42 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
Trying to route hoses for the oil warmer water ring thingo is a pain, no wonder its usually bypassed.

Any tips for cleaning out the interwarmer?

Ended up putting a stock turbo back on, the Hitachi water flange is different and wouldn't work.

Dump pipe that came with the importer engine was slightly different to the other F6A so had to use that, need to find a replacement now.
F5B doesn't have O2 sensor or provision to tap for one

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:05 pm
by Psi_Wagon
That pic above^ looks like someone left out the concave washer behind the crank pulley.

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:37 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
Looks like the pulley was meant for Auto F5B Sohc 12V non-Works
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No washers in parts catalog



Gearbox back on, could do with a new thrust bearing but I don't think I could be bothered.

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:27 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
Future reference for myself:

f5b
Pressure Plate 22100-73B02 / 22100-75F00
Clutch Disc 22400-75B01 / 22400-70GV0
Flywheel 12620-73B00
Thrust Bearing 09269-28004

f6a
22100-53E00 / 22100-75F00
22400-53E00 / 22400-70GV0
12620-62D00
09269-28004 / 28X58X22 (maybe TB28002 / BRG2187)

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:20 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
What do people think about trying to use the complete F5B loom and ECU with the F6A?
Or F5B loom + F6A ECU?

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:43 am
by benny
F5b loom with f6a engine should work, they share same head and other bits, isn't only difference the f6a runs an 02 sensor? The actual engine should run ok in my opinion

Re: Alto RSR 04/89 - The Registered One / The Black One

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:18 pm
by Goofy[HSK]
benny wrote:F5b loom with f6a engine should work, they share same head and other bits, isn't only difference the f6a runs an 02 sensor? The actual engine should run ok in my opinion
So far I've noticed:
Starter / Alternator sub-loom has different connector toward the main loom
Inlet manifold sub-loom has different connector toward the main loom; Manifold temp and TPS are different plugs

All the plugs on the rad outlet area are different - square v round, spade v bullet

Still have more loom to investigate