Time Attack Mighty Boy
200 HP is pushing it (or so it seems, that is about the highest figure I've heard). I've got a friend who works for Ford and specialises in forced induction, and we have had many discussions on what to do with the turbo, lag vs top end power and so on. My hunch is to go for less power and keep the lag to a minimum, but there is always anti-lag to play with, or even a sequential turbo setup. The gearbox is my weak link. It's a 4WD box from a Suzuki Alto Works. I won't be racing the car, so there will be no need for hard starts off the line, I'll just have to be gentle I guess! I'm also going to progressively introduce more boost, as I work on setting up the cars geometry/braking/suspension/aero, I'm more focused on having a 'complete' car, not just having as much power as I can get.
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Dannygibbons
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Hey jp
I looked at all the work your doing and have done ... amazing work mate fibre glass panels look great im trying to turn mine into a mini ve and have done a gair bit of fubreglass work so i know how hard the moulding and everything is top effort bro!!! check the thread on here mightyboy ve conversion something like that
I have a few questions the roll cage and all engineering who can i contact for that i need some work done on mine
Also u mentioned a bloke that can 3d scan and invert composite panels this would make life a lot easier please can u share his details aswell
Cheers
I looked at all the work your doing and have done ... amazing work mate fibre glass panels look great im trying to turn mine into a mini ve and have done a gair bit of fubreglass work so i know how hard the moulding and everything is top effort bro!!! check the thread on here mightyboy ve conversion something like that
I have a few questions the roll cage and all engineering who can i contact for that i need some work done on mine
Also u mentioned a bloke that can 3d scan and invert composite panels this would make life a lot easier please can u share his details aswell
Cheers
Hi Danny, thanks for the compliments. I like what you have done on your MB, it takes more time and effort to work up a pattern and then a mould than it than most people realise.
My cage was built by a mate of mine, Liam from Grunt Performance in Dromana. Engineering wise, he designed the cage.
The scanning was done by some guys I've met through work, so they 'looked after me' on price (3D scanning on this scale is not cheap - I doubt I would have done it if they hadn't helped me out). They have a business called Kaber, (they have a website) and they're based in Thomastown.
With a project like mine, it pays to have talented mates!
My cage was built by a mate of mine, Liam from Grunt Performance in Dromana. Engineering wise, he designed the cage.
The scanning was done by some guys I've met through work, so they 'looked after me' on price (3D scanning on this scale is not cheap - I doubt I would have done it if they hadn't helped me out). They have a business called Kaber, (they have a website) and they're based in Thomastown.
With a project like mine, it pays to have talented mates!
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Dannygibbons
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Thanks for the info bro yea i get asked alot to make custom parts for cars and then when i give a price and time frame their blown away its good to know someone else realises how much effort and detail and work goes into them !!!
I might give grunt performance (liam) a call do you think its something he would be up for again ??
Cheers
I might give grunt performance (liam) a call do you think its something he would be up for again ??
Cheers
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Dannygibbons
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Not really sure bro !
I want to chcuck a v6 ecotec in it i have everything ready to go drive train wise eg motor, shortened diff !
Im eather thinking get a rolling chassis set up that i can mount the mighty boy shell to or yea go the same way you did what ever is the easiest way
I really just need it all tact togeather ie suspension mounts rails motor mounts i can finish up all the welding and put in the floor pan fire wall tubs etc !!
Im also open to suggestions after all im just a panel beater his the man with all the knowledge and any advise would be appreciated and if its a job that he could and would do even better !!!
My number is 0421146516 mate if its easier for u to msg me direct
Cheers
I want to chcuck a v6 ecotec in it i have everything ready to go drive train wise eg motor, shortened diff !
Im eather thinking get a rolling chassis set up that i can mount the mighty boy shell to or yea go the same way you did what ever is the easiest way
I really just need it all tact togeather ie suspension mounts rails motor mounts i can finish up all the welding and put in the floor pan fire wall tubs etc !!
Im also open to suggestions after all im just a panel beater his the man with all the knowledge and any advise would be appreciated and if its a job that he could and would do even better !!!
My number is 0421146516 mate if its easier for u to msg me direct
Cheers
You are talking pretty serious coin for what you want to do, like 10's of 1000's of dollars. Having someone build you a chassis with suspension mounting points sorted, not to mention what you do with the tunnel/firewall/floor to fit a V6 and box, then you have to nut out the rear end. You will need to find a different, front mounted steering rack (ahead of the front uprights), work out steering column and linkages. That will mean all your front end will be custom fabricated and on and on and on. Put it this way, ring around a price up a roll cage, and I doubt you will get anything for less than $7000-$8000, and that's just a cage. I've been doing the majority of the work on my car myself, and I've been working on it for at least 3 years. I'm not really the one to help you here, and if you are able to find a workshop prepared to do what you want, expect to pay $100 an hour, double that for professional engineering services for all the suspension geometry you will need done, unless you just want to go fast in a straight line, setting up a car to handle requires a lot of work. Sorry, but that's all I can do to help.
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Dannygibbons
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Yea im aware its going to cost thousands and alot of time !! im planning on doing all panel floor tunnel firewall work myself as i own a pannel shop and have 20 years experience in the trade its just a matter of finding the right help for the chassis susspension etc everything u just mentioned i know it can be done as ive seen a mighty moy with a supercharged one in it aswell as corrupt which has the v8 version of this motot in it !
Thanks for your input mate any help is taken on board all the best with your work
Thanks for your input mate any help is taken on board all the best with your work
No worries, sorry I can't really do more to help. I work on my car almost every night after work, and I do a heap of research and talking to guys who know more than me. I would suggest getting in touch with the owner of Currupt and talk to him, it seems like what you hope to do has more in common with his car than mine. Good luck!
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CURUPT is a tube frame chassis and cage. The only MightyBoy parts left are the panels that have been stitched over the top.
Wells Racing is currently building a similar ute, and might have some useful advice.
Wells Racing is currently building a similar ute, and might have some useful advice.
F8B EFI turbo - Three pots and a snail.
Danny, I've been thinking a bit more about your car.
I think you need to work out what you want to do with it and then you can pinpoint what you need.
For me, I want to build a track only car, so I don't have to worry about any ADR's or registration issues.
If you want to keep your car registered, that dictates a hell of a lot as to what you can and can't do.
If you are building something in the mould of Corupt, then you don't need an elaborate cage, a simple box steel space frame would be much easier and cheaper. That is to say, if it's a burn out car, it doesn't necessarily need to brake or corner.
For me, braking and cornering is just as important as horsepower, as they are as vital ingredients as power for a good track car, and as such, I've spent a long time looking into optimum suspension geometry for the wheelbase and track that I have to work with, this means ride height considerations, suspension travel, roll-centres, camber/caster limitations, anti-dive and so on. I've provided very detailed measurements of suspension components and chassis details, and theoretical set-ups to a suspension engineer who can simulate the suspension movement with software specific to suspension development, and assess and recommend changes if required.
Another thing I have had to learn to deal with, is the more customisation you undertake, particularly in steel fabricated components, is jigging. At this point I've made steel jigs for top rear suspension arms, and quite a complicated multi-piece jig for the front subframe that also incorporates suspension pick-up points. It's only useful to my car, and takes more time to make than the part that comes out of it. If you are contracting that kind of work out, it will start to drain your wallet quickly. You would have an understanding of this with regard to the moulds you have made for the fibreglass parts you have produced.
Anyway, without going on too much, I recommend;
Determine clearly what your end goal is.
- If you are after a car in the mould of Corupt, see if you can get in touch with the owner and talk to him - I don't feel as if my project has a lot of relevance to yours, other than the fact they are both Mighty Boys.
There is a guy that works in the same industrial estate as me, who is in the early stages of fitting a V8 to his Mighty Boy. Would you like me to mention your project to him? Perhaps the two of you could assist each other?
I think you need to work out what you want to do with it and then you can pinpoint what you need.
For me, I want to build a track only car, so I don't have to worry about any ADR's or registration issues.
If you want to keep your car registered, that dictates a hell of a lot as to what you can and can't do.
If you are building something in the mould of Corupt, then you don't need an elaborate cage, a simple box steel space frame would be much easier and cheaper. That is to say, if it's a burn out car, it doesn't necessarily need to brake or corner.
For me, braking and cornering is just as important as horsepower, as they are as vital ingredients as power for a good track car, and as such, I've spent a long time looking into optimum suspension geometry for the wheelbase and track that I have to work with, this means ride height considerations, suspension travel, roll-centres, camber/caster limitations, anti-dive and so on. I've provided very detailed measurements of suspension components and chassis details, and theoretical set-ups to a suspension engineer who can simulate the suspension movement with software specific to suspension development, and assess and recommend changes if required.
Another thing I have had to learn to deal with, is the more customisation you undertake, particularly in steel fabricated components, is jigging. At this point I've made steel jigs for top rear suspension arms, and quite a complicated multi-piece jig for the front subframe that also incorporates suspension pick-up points. It's only useful to my car, and takes more time to make than the part that comes out of it. If you are contracting that kind of work out, it will start to drain your wallet quickly. You would have an understanding of this with regard to the moulds you have made for the fibreglass parts you have produced.
Anyway, without going on too much, I recommend;
Determine clearly what your end goal is.
- If you are after a car in the mould of Corupt, see if you can get in touch with the owner and talk to him - I don't feel as if my project has a lot of relevance to yours, other than the fact they are both Mighty Boys.
There is a guy that works in the same industrial estate as me, who is in the early stages of fitting a V8 to his Mighty Boy. Would you like me to mention your project to him? Perhaps the two of you could assist each other?
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Dannygibbons
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Mate id love to get in touch with the guy put the v8 in his just to see what parts/donar cars his concidering using and mods his doings etc!!!
If u could pass on my number or give me his details would be much apreciated
Ive tried getting in contact with the corrupt owner and the guy tht fone the v6 supercharged one for years keep coming up empty have been to a few meets where i thought corrupt would be and have missed him every time !! His a ghost haha
Idealy i want it to be a show car that i can just drive a few times a year on limited permit !! As im putting so much work into making it look like a ve !
If u could pass on my number or give me his details would be much apreciated
Ive tried getting in contact with the corrupt owner and the guy tht fone the v6 supercharged one for years keep coming up empty have been to a few meets where i thought corrupt would be and have missed him every time !! His a ghost haha
Idealy i want it to be a show car that i can just drive a few times a year on limited permit !! As im putting so much work into making it look like a ve !
I'll pass on your phone number, and hopefully you will both be able to help each other.
If you are planning on keeping your car on the road can I suggest one thing - speak to a VASS Engineer before you do ANYTHING.
These guys will be vital in guiding you in the build if you want to retain registration. I can't speak from experience, but I can imagine a rear drive V6 powered Mighty Boy could potentially be quite a headache to be signed off by an engineer in keeping with current compliances. That said, given the cars age, there are leniences for older car modifications. In the past, club reg has let people get away with murder, but that registration is under review as I understand, and cars will potentially have to past 'real' roadworthy tests, not just be rubber stamped by the club secretary. Something to be considered.
If you are planning on keeping your car on the road can I suggest one thing - speak to a VASS Engineer before you do ANYTHING.
These guys will be vital in guiding you in the build if you want to retain registration. I can't speak from experience, but I can imagine a rear drive V6 powered Mighty Boy could potentially be quite a headache to be signed off by an engineer in keeping with current compliances. That said, given the cars age, there are leniences for older car modifications. In the past, club reg has let people get away with murder, but that registration is under review as I understand, and cars will potentially have to past 'real' roadworthy tests, not just be rubber stamped by the club secretary. Something to be considered.
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Dannygibbons
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Cheers bud hopefully he gets in touch with me