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There's also the forgotten effects of exhaust resonance which can affect the scavenging effect of the exhaust system removing waste gasses depending on the length, diameter, flow & bends in a system, which has an effect on the engine's torque curve.

The long & short of it is to build a good exhaust system, you need to be a welder, plumber, audio engineer, mathematician, physics major, and a good mechanic all in one.

Then ignore all the relevant information & just bolt on whatever will fit that seems to do the right job :roll:
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evilgidget wrote:Then ignore all the relevant information & just bolt on whatever will fit that seems to do the right job :roll:
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It works, it's kinda loud, but the stereo doesn't really work anyway, so I'm happy enough for now. And far more knowledgeable!
I'll visit the issue again when I look at the turbo option :)
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Just reviving this thread again.
With regrd to exhaust scavaging, can those of you out there with extractors please let us know what form they are?
3 into 1 ? (i presume this is what they'd be) or 3 into 2 into 1?
Also, how long roughly is it before the headers merge? - I'd imagine that length would make quite a bit of a differance...

All way too confusing... :?
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3-1, collector under the sump. I don't think the tuned length of a set of extractors on an F5A or F8B will make a tremendous amount of difference considering the power output. ;)

Make sure you fit a braided flex pipe though, I only had a standard spring flange and the exhaust cracked through movement.
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Brayden,
when you say yours cracked, did you have a support bracket at the bottom fixed to the engine like a standard exhaust setup? - I would have thought that if it was supported like that it'd be OK in terms of cracking etc.
With regard to the header lengths, I take your point about the power gains only being minimal. I guess that's because you're starting off with so little and any increase will only be a percentage of the base figure...
Worth getting right as it doesn't cost any more when getting custom headers made I would have thought? :?
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No you're correct mate, but getting an accurate answer on tuned-length headers for an F5A/F8B will be a fairly exhaustive process. (Pardon the pun!) You're pretty much diving into the realm of trial and error unless you have the facilities to computer model exhaust pulses for a 3 cylinder vehicle, because I doubt that kind of research has been done before outside of maybe SuzukiSport in Japan.

If you want a generic answer, then just go for a "decent" length for each runner, I would say the rear of the sump is the furthest you want to go, but definately no shorter than the front of the sump.

As for my exhaust cracking, well the extractors were bolted to the block, but the crack developed AFTER the flange because the rocking motion of the motor, coupled with the movement of the exhaust system itself, was putting excess leverage on the flange.
At any rate I've fitted a flex-joint to the end of the dump pipe on my turbo now and have noticed a reduction in vibration/ringing from the exhaust in addition to reducing the risk of it cracking again. ;)
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Fair enough. I guess I might have figured that there may have been programs out there to do that sort of thing maybe. - perhaps along the lines of capacity + cylinders+firing order=xxx? Dunno?
I'll keep scouring the net for similar sized 3 pot stuff... Maybe minis? or some other sort of euro thing?

I take your point about the rocking action of the motor. I guess a header setup would be a decent bit weaker than a cast manifold. Plus the fact that there isn't a flange joint.
I would have thought a flexi joint may have turbulance issues though? - How does it work?
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It isn't the extractors that cracked, as I mentioned it was the exhaust AFTER the spring flange that cracked because the movement of the engine was making it pivot further than it was designed to do. ;)

The flex joint is essentially a braided hose that can move a long way in any direction, and in more than one direction at a time. The amount of turbulance caused is negligable compared to the benefits. ;)
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hey
i was thinking of puttin twin 2" stacks on my stock soon to be supercharged f8b. since im doubling the length of pipe and almost doubling the diameter will there be any back pressure probs. or would they equal each other out or double the prob since theres gonna b 2. i was thinkin that its twice the diameter but its also twice the length and would cancel each problem out so it would be pretty close to the original back pressure but thats just what i think and i am not sure thats why im asking.
btw there will be no mufflers on the stacks.
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1990 toyota mr2 gt import : mods, turbo timer, short shifter, 2.5" exhaust
1992 suzuki sierra : mods, g16b mpfi, 235's/75, snorkel & lift on the way.
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Doubling the length and size of the pipe will increase backpressure, but I doubt you'll notice that with a supercharger hanging off the motor. ;)
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i wont be puttin the super charger on for bout 6 months or so. how well will it run stocko with thos exhausts
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1985 suzuki mighty boy : mods, f8b
1990 toyota mr2 gt import : mods, turbo timer, short shifter, 2.5" exhaust
1992 suzuki sierra : mods, g16b mpfi, 235's/75, snorkel & lift on the way.
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