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Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:33 pm
by Husky
FYI strut tops can still be bought new from suzuki :thumbup1: Not cheap, around $80-$90 dollars each from memory

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:05 am
by rf4burns
Thanks Husky do you have (or anyone else) part numbers? (will probably go the recon as it will make a good post in the build and costs less )

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:19 am
by Husky
Gday RF4Burns,
Part number is 41710-78052 Description is support, front strut :)

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:24 pm
by rf4burns
Thanks Husky .I'm guessing thats a Suzi number (tried the local dealer "nup we don't list it) so looks like it'll be recon

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:36 pm
by Husky
Yep, suzi number I got mine from a dealer in Sydney (Brookvale) :)

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:56 pm
by gazuga
when i got mine last they were from the local holden joint, suzi part number and all

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:49 pm
by rf4burns
Well haven't been able to find strut mounts at a reasonable price ($102.80each :censored: ) so will be re-coning. 1st removal of struts
loosen wheel nuts and 17mm strut support nut and 3 12mm strut mount nuts (strut mount under bonnet)
LOOSEN top nuts
LOOSEN top nuts
jack up car (from frame so suspension hangs down) remove wheel and bottom two strut mount bolts (17mm)
remove bottom mount bolts
remove bottom mount bolts
also remove brake lines
brake line
brake line
brake line removal
brake line removal
Now go back and remove the 3 12mm nuts from the top of the strut this will allow removal.
IMG01029.jpg
:thumbup2:

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:33 pm
by rf4burns
To dismantle the struts a spring compressor is required (it is possible to make one however I would recommend buying one Springs should be treated with caution and respect even on a vehicle as small as this they are easily able to inflict some nasty damage to you -range from $20 to about $60 depending on type).Place the spring compressors opposite each other on spring coils
place sping compressor
place sping compressor
Tighten the compressors evenly(you can check to see if the compressors are tight enough as the strut will turn freely inside the spring -( no tension pushing on it)
tighten compessor's
tighten compessor's
once you are certain the spring is compressed enough remove the top nut (the one you loosen prior to removal)
remove top nut
remove top nut
and dismantle the strut.the spring compressors can be loosened off and removed
dissmantle
dissmantle

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:46 pm
by rf4burns
then a mould needs to be made of the bottom of the strut support (I am using a couple of different things and what you use will depend on your budget/time)
1st and easy to get Silastic (I used a hi temp type but any silicon sealer will be fine) I greased the mount 1st to ensure the silastic did not stick to the mount and the mould would release. While this is a cheap mould you need to give it plenty of time to cure before removing (about 4 days :x in my case)
Silastic
Silastic
Then when removed some patch up's need to be done (fill any voids etc...)
result
result
Also model clay (air dry) may be used (no release/grease is required for this as the clay shrinks about 7%)
Air dry model clay
Air dry model clay
I have two of these drying at the moment (this is preventing me from showing the final fastest, and my preferred method for making the mould's as I only have two strut mounts to work with :!: )
Awaiting dry
Awaiting dry
Well it dried (not happy with result :-k haven't used this much clay before)with a few cracks so will patch them then paint with acrylic paint to seal
dry
dry

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:55 pm
by gadj
I have found (and previously posted)that the prices for the bearing plates/strut mounting bushes vary markedly the further you are from the Melbourne warehouse - the freight used/charged by the Suzuki/Holden dealer spares outlets is nonsense. I have suggested we see if a member in Melbourne can purchase & mail for significant savings.
Some damaged Phillips head screws can be removed by drilling a hole no larger than the centre depression in the head somewhere around 1 -2 millimetres deep(the larger the screw the deeper you go). Insert the correct size impact bit without the impact driver body & apply a few taps (hammer),not too hard so as to shatter the bit. This will in most cases re-form the head sufficiently to use the impact driver to remove the screw. Where possible, replace with a new screw.

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:24 am
by rf4burns
Gadj, yeah saw a couple of those post's
http://www.teammightyboy.com/forum/view ... rut#p32955
http://www.teammightyboy.com/forum/view ... rut#p35569
But at the price's being asked thought it may be a good idea to post an alternative that allows reconditioning OR manufacture of custom engine/transmisson mounts (the method I intend showing is tried and proven - even on large truck engine mounts). The screw removal method you have posted is a good one 8) and somtimes I probably tend to use a sledge hammer to crack a wallnut :snigger:. For small machine screws somtimes even a drop of instant glue on the stripped out top can be enough.

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:13 pm
by rf4burns
Well this is the final mould method I will show (many more could be used, mould making 2 pack silicon comes to mind) this method is not cheap and I am showing this because you can make replacement plastic parts and the material can be milled/turned/filed to shape limited pretty much by your ingenuity and imagination.
1st prepare the strut top I used a piece of PVC pipe and siliconed this to the strut top
prep strut top
prep strut top
For this mould I am using 2 part epoxy glue -Araldite (this is AW-134 I would recommend you try to use a cheaper Araldite this is very ex'y as it is approved for use in the manufacture of aircraft)
epoxy
epoxy
A release agent needs to be used (grease would work) and I will use silicon spray (I am using this as it will be required in a later process)
silicon spray
silicon spray
Scales will be required (cover with cling wrap or if the Miss's finds out what/how that lump got there you may end up with an extra lump or two of your own :snigger: or missing a couple) measure part A into the container in the correct ratio
Part A
Part A
Add part B (correct ratio)
Part B
Part B
Mix together (use care mixing you do not want to fill the epoxy with air :!: )
Mix
Mix
Pour into mold (after all epoxy is in mould a gentle mix is a good idea to try to get rid of all the air)
Pour into mould
Pour into mould
Now Araldite curing can be sped up by heating (this particular product will achieve an awesome hold on stuff if treated this way and used as a glue) I air dried this one (the product will produce heat which will in turn speed curing) and removed from the strut top after about 1 hour
mold removed
mold removed
The photo does not do this mould justice as it is nice and smooth on the internals (the black bits in the photo's are purely on the surface) and is a 1st class one the next best is the silicon and patch up was easy and is a good mould. The clay well its usable but pretty ordinary

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:28 pm
by rf4burns
Next will be removing the existing rubber (the easy way) then finally the fix :!: and I will make a couple of engine mounts at the same time.

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:55 am
by nelpd96
Silly question I guess but would you be interested in refurbishing others for a price? I mean now that you have done the mould I would imagine that it shouldn't be too hard to do.

Cheers
Paul

Re: RF4Burns Build

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:50 pm
by rf4burns
Paul,
You are correct in that having the mold ,it's not hard to produce these and I hope to have a couple of extra's shortly ;which I will re con and will probably offer these on an exchange basis at resonable $. HOWEVER I do not intend to supply huge amounts of these (will only supply these until the product I have is used up) as my time is limited, and I'm struggling to find the time as it is with family/work and life :!: and when I am ready to start offering them will post in the sale section.Thanks for the feed back/intrest :thumbup2: and hope to post the final couple of parts of the recon soon. RF4BURNS