Hey guys had some quick questions:
i want to run 4 amps in my MB:
2 X Monoblocks (for 4 subs)
2 X 4 channels (for 4 sets of 6x9's)
but my deck only has 3 RCA's, but i will need 6 (i think... without splitting)
is it bad to split all the rcas???
will i loose power???significantly???
how would you recomend i wire this setup???
cheers, your help is appreciated.
EQUIPTMENT:
4 pionneer champion series subs
2 JBL Monoblock Amplifiers
4 sets of Pioneer 6x9's
2 4 channel Pionner Amplifiers
Pioneer head unit -3 RCAS
Running 4 subs, AMPS, Speakers- Questions Help Please!
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motorheadmatt
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will this lower my power/ volume or the signal etc....can i split my RCAs that many times???Kel wrote:if your amps have outs aswell u run RCA from one of those to the input of the next amp =)
Don't mind me asking, but do you care what it sounds like or do you just want noise?
Give us some more specs on what you intend to use for the whole system. Have you already got the equipment? Also, where do you intend to put it all?
Give us some more specs on what you intend to use for the whole system. Have you already got the equipment? Also, where do you intend to put it all?
Garry. Nuff sed!
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motorheadmatt
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I want noise- but i dont want shit quality noise.
I have already bought all my equiptment, had a custom made alternator and have an odyssey battery.
I have 5 sets of Pioneer 6x9s
I have 2 JBL Monoblock amplifiers
1 Pioneer Head Unit
4 Pionner Subs
2 Pionner 4 channel Amplifiers
A box behind the seats will have 2 sets of 6x9s and 2 subs
A box in the boot will have 2 subs and 3 sets of 6x9s
The 2 monoblock amps will run my 4 subs
1 set of the 6x9s will run off the head unit
the other 4 sets will run off the 2, 4 channel amps one speaker per channel
I have already bought all my equiptment, had a custom made alternator and have an odyssey battery.
I have 5 sets of Pioneer 6x9s
I have 2 JBL Monoblock amplifiers
1 Pioneer Head Unit
4 Pionner Subs
2 Pionner 4 channel Amplifiers
A box behind the seats will have 2 sets of 6x9s and 2 subs
A box in the boot will have 2 subs and 3 sets of 6x9s
The 2 monoblock amps will run my 4 subs
1 set of the 6x9s will run off the head unit
the other 4 sets will run off the 2, 4 channel amps one speaker per channel
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motorheadmatt
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The only thing is the back of my head unit has 3 RCAs........i will need 6!
i have spent alot of money on all this equiptment and like the head unit - didnt want to change it.
what are my options, i know that i can split it, but i heard its not good to, you will loose power?, sound quaility?, sound volume? what recomendadtions could you give me for my setup?
i have spent alot of money on all this equiptment and like the head unit - didnt want to change it.
what are my options, i know that i can split it, but i heard its not good to, you will loose power?, sound quaility?, sound volume? what recomendadtions could you give me for my setup?
To be honest, using only 6x9's for your mid/hi frequencies has already put you out of the listen-to-able quality sound boundaries. You are better off selling at least some of them to fund some other nice component speakers to make the front stage nice to listen to.I want noise- but i dont want shit quality noise.
What are your goals for the car. Is it your daily driver or are you planning to build it up for sound-offs and shows?
As far as your RCA outputs situation is concerned you can just split the two RCA's that are going into the four channel amps to make 8 channels, that will cover you for those two, for the monoblocks, see if there is an RCA output on them. You can use this to connect up the to monoblock amps. Also, are you sure all three RCA sets on the back of the HU are outputs? If you don't plan on using the HU to power any speakers, you can get a line level converter which takes your standard speaker wires and converts them into RCA channels which you can then connect on to an amp. Not the best alternative, but you obviously aren't looking for clean sound for daily driving.
What are the specs of your equipment? I don't care how much of it you have, what are the details?
Garry. Nuff sed!
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motorheadmatt
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it will be used as a daily/ cruizer/ a bit of everthing- they are just a fun car to work with- just want the system to be loud- its only gonna be cranked on some nights when crusing etc. not everyday. I just thought the more speakers- the louder, i was gonna use 2nd hand mixed stuff but that will drop the sound quality, ive tried to stay with a same universal brand.
"To be honest, using only 6x9's for your mid/hi frequencies has already put you out of the listen-to-able quality sound boundaries."
what does that me- i dont think im on the same wave length. i like these 6x9s for there excellent treble and voice clarity and the pioneer champion series subs and exceptionally good bass for there price.
"To be honest, using only 6x9's for your mid/hi frequencies has already put you out of the listen-to-able quality sound boundaries."
what does that me- i dont think im on the same wave length. i like these 6x9s for there excellent treble and voice clarity and the pioneer champion series subs and exceptionally good bass for there price.
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motorheadmatt
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Here is a link with my equiptment of the internet- i didnt pay that much or get it from this store
My subs: x4
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-TS-W307D ... w307d4.htm
Speakers: x5
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-TS-A6992 ... a6992s.htm
Mono block Amps: x2
http://www.ryda.com.au/JBL-GTO1201-1-Mo ... o12011.htm
4 channel Amps: x2
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-GM-6300F ... m6300f.htm
Deck:
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-Car-CD-M ... 8950bt.htm
thanks for you help mate
My subs: x4
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-TS-W307D ... w307d4.htm
Speakers: x5
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-TS-A6992 ... a6992s.htm
Mono block Amps: x2
http://www.ryda.com.au/JBL-GTO1201-1-Mo ... o12011.htm
4 channel Amps: x2
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-GM-6300F ... m6300f.htm
Deck:
http://www.ryda.com.au/Pioneer-Car-CD-M ... 8950bt.htm
thanks for you help mate
6x9's were designed as a compromise for full range sound in a compact package. In terms of sound quality they are terrible when compared to dedicated split component speakers.
5 sets of 6x9's and 4 subs will pretty much give you mush. Lots of low end and muddled mid/highs.
Sorry mate but sometimes less is more!
To answer your question though, yes you can buy and use RCA splitters. There will be some loss in signal power/quality. As Kel suggested though, you should see if your amps have an RCA out (throughput) so you can daisy chain the amps together.
5 sets of 6x9's and 4 subs will pretty much give you mush. Lots of low end and muddled mid/highs.
Sorry mate but sometimes less is more!
To answer your question though, yes you can buy and use RCA splitters. There will be some loss in signal power/quality. As Kel suggested though, you should see if your amps have an RCA out (throughput) so you can daisy chain the amps together.
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Personally I think you will get better sound quality running 6"splits than running those 6x9. The 6x9 are good with cars that dont run subs. I originally had 6x9 in my car and then swap them for the 6"splits which sound heaps better and more clear. These speakers will give you more high frequency and let your subs do the low bass.
Here's my setup from behind the seats:
Here's my setup from behind the seats:
woa!... while we are on this subject lol... i have a 1000w kenwood sub... a xplode amp no idea what brand and 6x9 clarion's... readin this im thinkin about ditchin the 6x9's.. i need a new amp the one i have is cactus.. was given to me.. what can anyone sugest? i want a good sound and good bass... just thought id throw this up
Did anyone else pick up on the power specs of those mono blocks? They will absolutly kill those subs in no time at all. Talk about leaving headroom! You can use one of those amps to power both subs quiet effectively and still have a lot of power in reserve. Unless you are building your car purely for SPL you wont need half of the equiptment you have to make a big impression on your mates.
As I said earlier, and Brayden and toy550 reiterated: Get rid of some of the 6x9's and find yourself some nice components (splits) to throw in the front to help with setting the sound stage. If you really want to stay brand loyal to Pioneer, they make a great kevlar cone component package. The model number is: TS-C160R. Those speakers will blow your socks off. If you sell four sets of your 6x9's you should be able to cover the cost of a set with some change in your pocket and still have the 6x9's that you value so highly.
Also, sticking with one brand isn't always the best option. It's up to what you like the sound of. I would only stick with one brand throughout my whole car if I was sponsored by them. I love the sound of JL speakers/woofers, but I wouldn't buy an amp off them, I like Soundstream speakers and amps, but what I have seen of their head units I am not impressed etc. You should do a lot of listening and research into what you want before you buy. That way you know you will be happy once it is all in there.
These are just my opinions, and if you want to do your thing, do it man. Your car, I just hate seeing people that are misinformed buy the wrong stuff expecting brilliant results. I work in car sound at JB Hi-Fi doing sales so it probably seems I am trying to up sell you, but seriously dude, you wont regret it. Plus, with less speakers, it means that you will have more power per channel to put into the speakers you do have. (Providing that the specs all match up and you aren't going to explode anything.)
A big misconception with car audio is that by adding more, you will hear more in terms of sound volume. This is infact incorrect. Doubling the amplifier power does not double the sound output (same as adding more speakers, you just add more load). Basically if you double a systems power, you will only add approximately 3dB of volume to what is output. SPL is calculated using a logarithmic scale. So, to put it in simple terms, to (approximately) double the sound would take roughly 10dB of change. This works out to a little over three "doublings" of power. So if you have 100 watts of power you would need to double that 200 watts, double that to 400 watts and then double that again to 800 watts. That would give you a 9dB increase. To truly get the 10dB increase you would need roughly 1,000 watts increase in power.
When you try to talk to someone that has a car that is a big SPL car, you notice you start going deaf from listening to them yell. Also remember that you are dealing with a MightyBoy, you are in a tight enclosure with a loose pane of glass filling the rear. You could well end up with cracks and explosions of glass and the sardine can that makes up the body. Which brings me to my next question; Have you done any sound proofing/deadening. Migtyboys are designed around an aluminum coke tin, so the panels have a lot of flex and vibrations. Not a good thing when you want good sound. Look here: http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1277/h ... subwoofers
Now you have said that you want good sound and good bass, my opinion is for the amp, look at one of the big American companies like Kicker. They build them big and tough and they do give nice response along with nice deep bass, for speakers I would look at either Soundstream or JL audio as they are the best in the business as far as very commercially available products are concerned. Or, look at maybe Digital Dynamics if you have a nice budget and want some wonderful gear. All this depends on what music you intend to play/listen to every day. No point buying a sound system that will sound awesome with dance music to play classical music on.
But again, that is my opinion, and lots of people will disagree with that. Go into some stores and have a good listen to the gear. Screw Supercheap and AutoPro etc. Go to a real shop that specializes in car audio and speak to a guy there. Be informed before you go too so that you don't get conned into buying the latest and greatest dud on the market that will give him a nice commission for telling a whole lot of crap. Know what you want before you buy, and try before you buy.
As I said earlier, and Brayden and toy550 reiterated: Get rid of some of the 6x9's and find yourself some nice components (splits) to throw in the front to help with setting the sound stage. If you really want to stay brand loyal to Pioneer, they make a great kevlar cone component package. The model number is: TS-C160R. Those speakers will blow your socks off. If you sell four sets of your 6x9's you should be able to cover the cost of a set with some change in your pocket and still have the 6x9's that you value so highly.
Also, sticking with one brand isn't always the best option. It's up to what you like the sound of. I would only stick with one brand throughout my whole car if I was sponsored by them. I love the sound of JL speakers/woofers, but I wouldn't buy an amp off them, I like Soundstream speakers and amps, but what I have seen of their head units I am not impressed etc. You should do a lot of listening and research into what you want before you buy. That way you know you will be happy once it is all in there.
These are just my opinions, and if you want to do your thing, do it man. Your car, I just hate seeing people that are misinformed buy the wrong stuff expecting brilliant results. I work in car sound at JB Hi-Fi doing sales so it probably seems I am trying to up sell you, but seriously dude, you wont regret it. Plus, with less speakers, it means that you will have more power per channel to put into the speakers you do have. (Providing that the specs all match up and you aren't going to explode anything.)
A big misconception with car audio is that by adding more, you will hear more in terms of sound volume. This is infact incorrect. Doubling the amplifier power does not double the sound output (same as adding more speakers, you just add more load). Basically if you double a systems power, you will only add approximately 3dB of volume to what is output. SPL is calculated using a logarithmic scale. So, to put it in simple terms, to (approximately) double the sound would take roughly 10dB of change. This works out to a little over three "doublings" of power. So if you have 100 watts of power you would need to double that 200 watts, double that to 400 watts and then double that again to 800 watts. That would give you a 9dB increase. To truly get the 10dB increase you would need roughly 1,000 watts increase in power.
When you try to talk to someone that has a car that is a big SPL car, you notice you start going deaf from listening to them yell. Also remember that you are dealing with a MightyBoy, you are in a tight enclosure with a loose pane of glass filling the rear. You could well end up with cracks and explosions of glass and the sardine can that makes up the body. Which brings me to my next question; Have you done any sound proofing/deadening. Migtyboys are designed around an aluminum coke tin, so the panels have a lot of flex and vibrations. Not a good thing when you want good sound. Look here: http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1277/h ... subwoofers
Nice looking setup you have there man, looks very professional. Do you have any audio gear to fill in the front or is it all back there? You will notice a big difference if you have a well balanced front stage as that is actually the way that you listen to music. You go to a concert you don't stand with your back to the performers and speakers/PA, you stand face on so that the sound is coming straight at you. It's the way we are designed to listen to stuff.toy550 wrote:Personally I think you will get better sound quality running 6"splits than running those 6x9. The 6x9 are good with cars that dont run subs. I originally had 6x9 in my car and then swap them for the 6"splits which sound heaps better and more clear. These speakers will give you more high frequency and let your subs do the low bass.
Here's my setup from behind the seats:
1:Xplod is Sony, poor quality shit. Sony used to be good, but when they started making Xplod equiptment, they died in quality and they are renound for doing just that, exploding.honda_mightyboy_rule wrote:woa!... while we are on this subject lol... i have a 1000w kenwood sub... a xplode amp no idea what brand and 6x9 clarion's... readin this im thinkin about ditchin the 6x9's.. i need a new amp the one i have is cactus.. was given to me.. what can anyone sugest? i want a good sound and good bass... just thought id throw this up
Now you have said that you want good sound and good bass, my opinion is for the amp, look at one of the big American companies like Kicker. They build them big and tough and they do give nice response along with nice deep bass, for speakers I would look at either Soundstream or JL audio as they are the best in the business as far as very commercially available products are concerned. Or, look at maybe Digital Dynamics if you have a nice budget and want some wonderful gear. All this depends on what music you intend to play/listen to every day. No point buying a sound system that will sound awesome with dance music to play classical music on.
But again, that is my opinion, and lots of people will disagree with that. Go into some stores and have a good listen to the gear. Screw Supercheap and AutoPro etc. Go to a real shop that specializes in car audio and speak to a guy there. Be informed before you go too so that you don't get conned into buying the latest and greatest dud on the market that will give him a nice commission for telling a whole lot of crap. Know what you want before you buy, and try before you buy.
Garry. Nuff sed!
woa very long post there ceej... yeah i know im sic of this amp its givin me the shits... hmmm i dunno if there is any places down here that just sell car audio lol.. auto pro is auto barn yea? and iv neva heard any of those brands haha thats how much i know..